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realism is a sloppy second in today's art market..CM3
1. Jean-Michel Basquiat (1960-1988) Profit I, 1982 Acrylic and spray paint on canvas Sold for $5,509,500
May 2002 World Auction Record for the Artist New York, Rockefeller Center
[Contrasting realms & juxtaposition "There is no accounting for taste." ]
2. Jenny Saville (b. 1970) Figure 11.23, 1997 Oil on canvas Sold for $537,500 May 2002
World Auction Record for the Artist New York, Rockefeller Center
3. Takashi Murakami (b. 1962) Miss ko2, 1996 Painted fiberglass Sold for $567,500 May 2003
World Auction Record for the Artist New York, Rockefeller Center.
From a ball point sketch on note paper to a posthumous pecuniary apex.
4. Donald Judd (1928-1994) Untitled, 1967Stainless steel and yellow Plexiglass Sold for $4,629,500 May 2002
World Auction Record for the Artist New York, Rockefeller Center
5. Maurizio Cattelan (b. 1960) La Nona Ora (The Ninth Hour), 1999 Wax, clothing, polyester resin with metallic powder,
volcanic rock, carpet, glass Sold for $886,000 May 2001World Auction Record for the Artist New York, Rockefeller Center
Also it stillis true life's work worth more if youre dead...
"First thought best thought ."
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The end of Junkies !
There's good & bad news now you can buy *this stuff over the counter!! (Not ! the service of healing you of that nasty Jones only cost you $1.000.00 Please don't steal my stereo to pay for your
treatment ok!) Alls I Know is it is better
than Methadon at *Least its Not addictive...
They're opening a detox clinic at or in (where else)
Columbia Presbyterian Hospital in NYC My bet is
the street price for throes babies will skyrocket. Who needs some doctor or PhD. Social worker breathing down your neck to earn a living off
your self medicating misery any way?
''?''The stuff is cheaper than asprin !! That means
Millions more hard drugs addict with the promise
that this little pill can make the little dope boat have
calm waters whenever you want and you can get back to your life come Monday with no one the wiser only your uren sample provider will know...
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Buyer Beware!!!
Rush is Falling on his sword in public,but receives his golden parachute and creates a very useful media flap and Republican smoke screen...
Most current illicit drug users are white LIMBAUGH I AM. Like Arnold on streoids,which leads to kedney failure & life long diolisis just like Osama Ben Ladil... But It's not true Arnold Schwarzenegger has end-stage kidney disease (ESRD) as was rumored a result of his abuse of Illegal Steroid Druggs...
"In the name of Dorthy Killgallen & Jeanne Davies..."
LIMBAUGH: 'I AM ADDICTED TO
[Illegal Perscription]
"PRESCRIPTION" PAIN MEDICATION'...
drugs Drugs DRUGS!I am a High Class
DOPE FIEND and have power and privilege.
[for years spent hypocritically mocking others, Bob Downey & Jerry Garcia junkies like myself ]
 'WILL ENTER 30-DAY TREATMENT CENTER'...
'I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY
PROBLEM'...[ Because someone ratted me out! ]
[after hiding it and lying about it for years like Hitler's Dr. Joseph Gerbils ]
'I WANT TO ASK FOR YOUR PRAYERS'...
[To further the illusion of respectability & mock
your gullibility...But don't bother I have insurance ]...
Some think it's The first crack in the 'egg'.... developing... Like Humpty
Jumpty Dumpty ... Or not... They don't link Rush to the stories linked
below ... Its the Same old Hummer like that Monica BJ but it's the so-
called Media scamming us again it's perhaps designed to cover up the
Arnold- Enron give back deal & the Demo-Repubc-Rat amendment in
the offing allowing foreign born Republicans to be President of the
USA...
"Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of
society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't
test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance,
greed and love of power..."
P.J. O Rourke http://www.quotemeonit.com/orourke.html
"Anyone who has ever looked into the glazed eyes of
a soldier dying on the battlefield will think hard before
starting a war." Otto Von Bismark
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According to the federal Household Survey:
According to the federal Household Survey,
"Most current illicit drug users are white.
There were an estimated 9.9 million whites (72 percent of all users), 2.0 million
blacks (15 percent), and 1.4 million Hispanics (10 percent) who were current
illicit drug users in 1998." Check Google>*< update
NIDA - The Sixth Triennial Report to Congress ... gender. [4]
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And yet,blacks constitute 36.8% of those arrested for drug violations, over 42%
of those in federal prisons for drug violations.
African Americans comprises almost 58% of those in state prisons for drug
felonies; Hispanics account for 20.7%.
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Source: Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, National
Household Survey on Drug Abuse: Summary Report 1998 (Rockville, MD: Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, 1999), p. 13; Bureau of Justice Statistics, Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics 1998 (Washington DC: US Department of Justice,August 1999), p. 343, Table 4.10, p. 435, Table 5.48, and p. 505, Table 6.52; Beck, Allen J., Ph.D. and Mumola, Christopher J., Bureau of Justice Statistics, Prisoners in 1998 (Washington DC: US Department of Justice, August 1999),p. 10, Table 16; Beck, Allen J., PhD, And Paige M. Harrison, US Dept. ofJustice, Bureau of Justice Statistics (Washington, DC: US Dept. of Justice, August 2001), p. 11, Table 16.
P.S. Afghanistan is world’s largest producer of HEROIN
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Tim Wise is a Nashville-based writer and activist and can be reached at
School Shootings and White Denial
By Tim Wise, AlterNet
March 6, 2001
I can think of no other way to say this,
so here goes: white people need to pull
our heads out of our collective ass.
Two more white children are dead and thirteen are injured, and another "nice" community
is scratching its blonde head, utterly perplexed at how a school shooting the likes of the one
yesterday in Santee, California could happen. After all, as the Mayor of the town said in an
interview with CNN: "We're a solid town, a good town, with good kids, a good church-going
town…an All-American town." Yeah, well maybe that's the problem.
I said this after Columbine and no one listened so I'll say it again: white people live in an
utter state of self-delusion. We think danger is black, brown and poor, and if we can just move
far enough away from "those people" in the cities we'll be safe. If we can just find an
"all-American" town, life will be better, because "things like this just don't happen here."
Well bullshit on that. In case you hadn't noticed, "here" is about the only place these kinds
of things do happen.
Oh sure, there is plenty of violence in urban communities and schools.
But mass murder; wholesale slaughter; take-a-gun-and-see-how-many-you can-kill
kinda craziness seems made for those safe places:
the white suburbs or rural communities.
And yet once again, we hear the FBI insist there is no "profile" of a school shooter. Come
again? White boy after white boy after white boy, with very few exceptions to that rule (and
none in the mass shooting category), decides to use their classmates for target practice,
and yet there is no profile? Imagine if all these killers had been black: would we still hesitate
to put a racial face on the perpetrators? Doubtful.
Indeed, if any black child in America – especially in the mostly white suburbs of
Littleton, or Santee – were to openly discuss their plans to murder fellow students, as
happened both at Columbine and now Santana High, you can bet your ass that somebody
would have turned them in, and the cops would have beat a path to their doorstep.
But when whites discuss their murderous intentions, our stereotypes of what
danger looks like cause us to ignore it – they're just "talking" and won't really do
anything. How many kids have to die before we rethink that nonsense? How many
dazed and parents, Mayors and Sheriffs do we have to listen to, describing how
confused "normal" and safe their community is, and how they just can't understand
what went wrong?
I'll tell you what went wrong and it's not TV, rap
music, video games or a lack of prayer in school.
What went wrong is that white Americans decided to ignore dysfunction
and violence when it only affected other communities, and thereby
blinded themselves to the inevitable creeping of chaos which never
remains isolated too long. What affects the urban "ghetto" today will be
coming to a Wal-Mart near you tomorrow, and unless you address the
emptiness, pain, isolation and lack of hope felt by children of color and
the poor, then don't be shocked when the support systems aren't
there for your kids either.
What went wrong is that we allowed ourselves to be lulled into a false
sense of security by media representations of crime and violence that
portray both as the province of those who are anything but white like us.
We ignore the warning signs, because in our minds the warning signs
don't live in our neighborhood, but across town, in that place where we
lock our car doors on the rare occasion we have to drive there. That
false sense of security – the result of racist and classist stereotypes –
then gets people killed. And still we act amazed.
But listen up my fellow white Americans: your
children are no better, no nicer, no more moral,
no more decent than anyone else.
[IT'S THAT LITELE WHITE LIE THAT WHITE IS
O SO SUPERIOR IN EVERY WAY THAN EVERY
LIVING BEING, AMONG OTHER LIES THAT IS
KILLING THEM !ED]
Dysfunction is all around you, whether
you choose to recognize it or not.
According to the Centers for Disease Control, and Department of Health and
Human Services, it is YOUR children, and not those of the urban ghetto,
who are most likely to use drugs.
That's right: white high school students are seven times more likely
than blacks to have used cocaine; eight times more likely to have smoked
crack; ten times more likely to have used LSD and seven times more likely
to have used heroin. In fact, there are more white high school students who
have used crystal methamphetamine (the most addictive drug on the streets
than there are black students who smoke cigarettes.
What's more, white youth ages 12-17 are more likely to sell drugs: 34% more likely,
in fact than their black counterparts. And it is white youth who are twice as likely to
binge drink, and nearly twice as likely as blacks to drive drunk.
And white males are twice as likely to bring a weapon to school as
are black males.
And yet I would bet a valued body part that there aren't 100 white people in Santee,
California, or most any other "nice" community who have ever heard a single one
of the statistics above.
Even though they were collected by government agencies using these folks'
tax money for the purpose.
Because the media doesn't report
on white dysfunction .
A few years ago, U.S. News ran a story entitled: "A Shocking look
at blacks and crime."
Yet never have they or any other news outlet discussed the "shocking"
whiteness of these shoot-em-ups.
Indeed, every time media commentators discuss the similarities
in these crimes they mention that the shooters were boys, they
were loners, they got picked on, but never do they seem to notice
a certain highly visible melanin deficiency. Color-blind, I guess.
White-blind is more like it, as I figure these folks would spot color mighty
damn quick were some of it to stroll into their community. Santee's whiteness
is so taken for granted by its residents that the Mayor, in that CNN interview,
thought nothing of saying on the one hand that the town was 82 percent white,
but on the other hand that "this is America."
Well that isn't America, and it especially isn't California, where whites
are only half of the population.
This is a town that is removed from America, and yet its Mayor thinks
they are the normal ones – so much so that when asked about racial
diversity, he replied that there weren't
many of different "ethni-tis-tities." Not a word. Not even close.
I'd like to think that after this one, people would wake up. Take note. Rethink their
stereotypes of who the dangerous ones are. But deep down, I know better. The
folks hitting the snooze button on this none-too-subtle alarm are my own people,
after all, and I know their blindness like the back of my hand.
Tim Wise is a Nashville-based writer and activist and can be reached at
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Monday, 7 PM, May 14, 2001
Sale NY849
Lot 12, "Untitled" by David Hammons, 54 by 60 by 16 inches, 2000
Perhaps the most amusing work in the auction is Lot 12, "Untitled," by David
Hammons (b. 1943)(GS), as it depicts a basketball hoop with a mirror as a backboard that is festooned with crystal and brass sconces and candle-like
lights and a net of crystal beads. The 54-by-60-by-16-inch work is unique and
was executed in 2000. It has an estimate of $250,000 to $350,000. It sold for $409,500, rather significantly shattering the previous world auction record for the artist of $18,500 set at Christie's in London in November, 1999.
Michael McGinnis, the head of Phillips's contemporary art department,
said after the auction that the artist's work is difficult to get. "In this work,,"
the catalogue notes, "the basketball hoop was explored as both an icon
of black male street cool, as well as a symbol of disenfranchisement and poverty….The surreal fusion of the athletic, common basketball hoop and the pristine, chandelier and crystal elements, not only bring forward the notion of kitsch, but more specifically, make undeniably obvious two very strong clichés in American society: the stereotype that basketball is
synonymous with African American males, and the ornate chandelier symbolic of the bourgeoisie 'Wasp' society."
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 © 2003 Charles Mingus III AKA ED
A Vintage rant from R@wman
"The Church of Shopping Now & Forever Amen."
Maryxmas2U...
But first.
What has fueled the draft Beer renaissance in the USA?
1. A growing ecological awareness that some of the tools and methods of modern agriculture are
destructive, causing many to seek alternatives, among which is the draft beer as a source of power.
2. An economic crunch that makes home-grown power that runs on home raised fuel, which in turn
enriches the soil in the form of manure, reproduces itself plus providing surplus for sale, and
appreciates rather than depreciates for the first half of its life. Look better and better.
(To the wrong 'Dave do you honestly care what anyone but you thinks?" ED)
To the wrong David Beck: Dudes if the truth needs protection, it ain’t...
How real is that truth?
The truth is within your grasp. Any other assumption is not the truth how else can the truth set you free.
Propaganda is still lies & anyway if it was not a lie but merrily a mistaken belief so what, someone wills
it you see it every day in advertising that presupposes you will believe anything anybody has to say
just because they are aware you are vulnerable and unaware of that for instance?
There’s a sucker born every nanosecond... Guaranteed Genuine Ersatz! Totally a genuine fake!
The real Bozo baloney-verse.
St. Nicholas bribed all if his constituents to say he preformed Miracles so he could become a Bishop
that gave him and his family grate power and wealth. and much later he became the only Icon of
Americas real church "The Church of Shopping Now & Forever Amen", "The Church of Spend", &
"The Church of Acting Like You Really Like Life Once A Year Weather You Really (Fear) Like it or not
for the "Kids ". which has actually supplanted any concept of celebrating generosity except as a once
a year Thankz Giving Feast not counting birth days and leap year what ever that is in the scheme of
things I mean when push comes to shove and you must go out and strangle some sort of mammal in
order to absorb its protean so your bodies can live and Re-Excrete whatever residue how far from
your rat hole do you actually go is determined only by what we laughingly call culture which I might add
has become no certain road map for philosophy ethics or eschatology, know that most of it is only
reproduced "digitally" due to all of that so called background radiation after that little thing called
a Dirty Bomb blew up most of NYC last year it’ s still smoldering plasma field from Baltimore to
Pennsylvania [What’s this a new wrinkle in the NU-Civil War?] What? They didn't tell you... Wasn't on
the NEWS!
Well guess they were e-busy cleaning up after and besides, YOU were in a coma of personal
gratifications. So what do you expect, a wake up call like Hey![Life is not Highschool homework
you can blow off! you actually gotta do something when you are alive You! are a member of a
species of which 8 out of 10 are dying of hunger and most are children and illiterate and suffering
in pain of disease due to your consumption of THERE Natural resources., being without that critical
25% more "raw materials without pay" read protean starved in there Mothers Holy Wombs so expect
some "Hard RAIN!"
Eventually... We drafted People & trained them to Kill Why Not Draft People & train them to Heal!!
We need more schools & hospitals not more bombs and weaponised common colds that drive down
GNP in order to support quotas and econometric standards established by gargantuan federal
standards out of line as it were with human need in every way.
What makes it week as a belief is that ANY interpellation dilutes it until it is mutated into what we have
now... [No Faith] The oblivion of making people do what you want with out actually having to kill them
or hanging drawing and quartering them to motivate them... As the elders were all to willing to initiate
at the drop of a hat.
Show them the instruments of torture... Confess and we wont need to use these instruments of torture
on you [show the torture bloody crusted greasy tools snippy ball-peen-hammer serrated knife nut
picks mallets rusty pliers and a bunch of shards from a broken Elvis-Costello record...
Yes people have no focus but they have not lost a grater truth there never was one there are as many
ways as there are beings (this includes those sentient beings) [with eyes] we call Animals. The
Sapiens you call The Blacks were considered animals and are the actual progenitor of all races alive
on earth yet they are starved ripped off and allowed to die of famine and disease while a morally
bankrupted and psychically numbed Western society debates there 35 million week & ill who will die
of aids alone leaving millions of desperate orphans to wander the earth trying to sell you a faux
Chinese Rolex wristwatch on the busy street corner of any town E-USA.
While the Good Old USA debates its "own memorial "Should the civil servants have as separate
memorial” or will we die from a terrorist dirty bomb provided by the DOD to an Alkida Tallaban Red
Guard Ben laden merges and becomes a mindfukingshrill Screeeeing! sound “They wouldn't do
that!” Reichstag crap again... Its like Rambo 2010 all friggen over again...
Snap outta it! Your Life / The World is about what ever you say it is that why art is dangerous.
Good artist borrow Greater Artist Steal... Every day & that is not enough because it tends to be like
cow cud chewing cud slurp burp plop! plop! plop!...
You live in a Super so-called Free country that puts its population in the front lines( charging them $160
billion plus as they say for the privilege) as if they were in a Colonial Settlement constantly Under Siege
say like in Israel... In order to sell the concept of perpetual war, it WE wages war on it's civilians...
(Like Al Cap's syndicated tabloid cartoon Pogo use to say I is Regusted I haz seen de enemy & he is US!)
And for what? It’s all to maintain an unimpeded flow.
Production and Distribution of weapons of mass destruction, designed to eliminate the civil population
that toil in Union free factories that make them. Now that’s real art.
And as far as church goes God is DEAD! Go back to work!... And Now The moment of silence...
And as far as church goes God is BREAD! Go back to work!... The moment of silence is over...
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From: David Alan Beck (dabeck@iupui.edu)
Date: Fri Jan 03 2003 - 22:07:48 EST
Next message: Brian N.: "Re: [percy-l] "The Monkey in the Mirror"" Previous message: David Alan Beck: "Re: [percy-l] AND...just one more post..." In reply to: Parlin, Steven: "RE: [percy-l] Re: animals, symbols, Gnosticism, Judaaica etc" Next in thread: David Alan Beck: "RE: [percy-l] Re: animals, symbols, Gnosticism,
Judaaica etc" Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] [ attachment ] I swore that I wasn't going to reply to Nikki's ramblings. I was one who
opposed Nikki's condemnation of the Church because of their so-called
persecution of gnostics. I am not RC, so I'm not sure who the
mean-spirited virulence came from. A former member of the list (who was
RC) did offer some historical perspectives. But it wasn't mean spirited.
The point that I made was that the church had to decide what was "true"
and what wasn't. They weren't children of the age of tolerance and
relativism. They believed in an absolute truth, one that they felt needed
to protected and safe-guarded. They could not allow gnostic beliefs to
enter the church. (If the gnostics are correct, then the apostolic
tradition is wrong. But you can't have both.)
Is it mean and, God forbid, intolerent to recap the postion of the
Church during this time? Nikki's last email implies that the people who
disagreed were mean-spirited or didn't know about the gnostics. I've read
Pagels and I do know about the gnostic beliefs (I've read the gnostic
gospels). I'm willing to discuss their beliefs. While Nikki believes that
he knows more than the rest of us, I'm willing to discuss their beliefs
and why they were rejected by the Church. And I've even read beyond Pagels
(who is about as objective as Karen Armstrong).
And, while most of us, have a great interest in Percy's work,
the fact that, as you report, he never argued with such "virulence" means
nothing. I know I'm not trying to model my life on Percy's, nor do I think
that he would want me to.
But I agree with Steve: your email is condescending. Sorry if some of us
disagreed with some your "beliefs" a few years ago. But go back and read
the archives. I'll even re-post some of them, if necessary. Let's see how
mean and virulent they were. In the meantime, I'd like to hear your
response to Steve's email, if it isn't too mean-spirited.
-DB
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Parlin, Steven wrote:
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