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 From: David Weston <dweston@cqm.co.uk>
 It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." Aristotle
Subject: Comprehensive info on 9/11

On Jan 8,a group of protesters in San Francisco marched to the offices of Senator Feinstein.
A delegation met with Senator Feinstein and Senator Boxer.

Below is a summary of the documents presented to Senators Feinstein and Boxer,
in support of the demand.

2. Who created and funded the Al Qaeda Network?

3. What is the relationship between Bin Laden, his family, the Carlyle Group and the Bush family?

5. Who actually was in control of the "hijacked planes"?

6. What role did Pakistani Intelligence play on September 11th?

7. Did the CIA have foreknowledge of the attack, who tried to profit with put options on American, United, Merrill Lynch...stock just before the attack?

9. If the CIA met with Bin Laden last July, why didn't they try to arrest him?
10. If the US is serious about ridding the world of terrorism, why do we continue to fund and train terrorists?

12. Why are we bombing Afghanistan, when none of the alleged bombers actually came from there,
could there be another reason for our presence in that region, like oil?

13. Is this war illegal? When will the FBI, the CIA and the National Security Agency start to
 turn their new powers (that they have under the Ashcroft police state bill) against American citizens?

14. What are Bush's, Cheney's and Rice's connections to the oil industry?

15. What are Bush's and Cheney's connections to the drug industry?

16. Has the US government ever thought to mislead the public to justify a war against another country?

17. Who was responsible for the Anthrax attacks, and why were Democrats and the media the targets?

18. Why is the evidence being destroyed when an investigation of the World Trade Center collapse is needed?

19. Why seal Presidential records? Why intimidate professors from speaking out against this war?

The Carlyle Group Exposed From Paul Source: Information Clearing House http://rense.com/general38/crl.htm
From Paul Source Information Clearing House

 A 48 minute documentary well worth watching. It's Dutch but almost all of it is in spoken English with Dutch subtitles so we English speakers don't miss much.
           Exposed: The Carlyle Group:
Shocking documentary uncovers the subversion of Americas democracy.
I defy you to watch this 48 minute documentary and not be outraged about the depth of corruption and deceit within the highest ranks of our government and the first family.
 Perhaps the naive will be shocked. The foreign policies of nations have long been linked to the business aspirations
of their corporations (ex. Hudson's Bay Co, East India Company...etc.) . It is completely normal. Where the investment dollar goes the soldiers follow. I have tacked on below another item I post repeatedly, the confessions of war hero Smedley Butler. Anyone who knows a soldier might consider printing it out for them.
 More shocking than this video is the one I helped edit "The War on the Third World, What I've Learned About US Foreign Policy" by Frank Dorrel.
http://www.addictedtowar.com. It has been shown to perhaps a million people so far and is starting to be shown in movie theatres in the Los Angeles area. For decades people have killed and been killed for the private profits of an elite they are not even aware of. I highly recommend that list members buy a copy and
 show it to as many people as you can.

Leading industrialists of another era once approached Smedley Butler to be the "front man"
 for a coup to topple FDR and set up a fascist government, he turned them down. In 1933
he said:

 "War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems
 to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the
benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

 "I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to
fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over
here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar
and the soldiers follow the flag.

"I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers.
There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other
is the Bill of Rights.

War for any other reason is simply a racket.

 "There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to.
 It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy
 enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss"
Super- Nationalistic-Capitalism.

"It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent
thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps.

 I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent
most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short,
I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

 "I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military
profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended
 animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

         ----- Original Message ----- From: Tikkun Media To: Rapid Response
      Sent: 10/9/2002 2:17:54 PM Subject: media's been negligent in covering the
                                                               quest for war
       Rapid Responders:  Something you can send people you know in the press.
       --  Samantha Tretheway Media Editor Tikkun  &nbbsp;510-528-6250

 Subject: media's been negligent in covering the quest for war

     Dear Members of the Press,

     I, like the majority of Americans, (see recent pipa poll @
 I am deeply disturbed by the lack of honest debate in both Congress and the press about the proposed  war on Iraq. The Congressional speech below, however, raised the level of my concern, along with the logical question: why isn't the press covering this?

     Look especially at #15 below, especially unnerving since it's the basis of everyone's
argument that Hussein's such a heinous man. These questions constitute important news.
  Without  answers to these questions,
          America is about to become the evil it deplores.

 For the sake of our country, and the sake of democracy, please, let American "free press" mean something more than just the fact that Mr. Bush and his warmongers are
 getting a lot  of it.

     Sincerely, Linda Frank, Tacoma, WA

     U.S. House of Representatives
     September 10, 2002

AND R@wman rant interspersed ED.

     Soon we hope to have hearings on the pending war with Iraq. I am concerned there are
some questions that won't be asked- and maybe will not even be allowed to be asked.
 Here are some  questions I would like answered by those who are urging us to start this war.

          1. Is it not true that the reason we did not bomb the Soviet Union at the height of the
          Cold  War was because we knew they could retaliate?

          2. Is it not also true that we are willing to bomb
      Iraq now because we know it cannot retaliate-   
     which just confirms that there is no real threat?

          3. Is it not true that those who argue that even with inspections we cannot be sure that
          Hussein might be hiding weapons, at the same time imply that we can be more sure
          that weapons exist in the absence of inspections?
          4. Is it not true that the UN’s International Atomic Energy Agency was able to complete
          its yearly verification mission to Iraq just this year with Iraqi cooperation?

          5. Is it not true that the intelligence community has been unable to develop a case tying
          Iraq to global terrorism at all, much less the attacks on the United States last year?

         Does anyone remember that 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia
        and that none came from Iraq?

          6. Was former CIA counter-terrorism chief Vincent Cannistraro wrong when he
           recently  said there is no confirmed evidence of Iraq’s links to terrorism?

          7. Is it not true that the CIA has concluded there is no evidence that a Prague meeting
          between 9/11 hijacker Atta and Iraqi intelligence took place?

          8. Is it not true that northern Iraq, where the
     administration claimed al-Qaeda were hiding
     out, is in the control of our "allies," the Kurds?
         9. Is it not true that the vast majority of al-Qaeda leaders who
       escaped appear to have safely made their way to Pakistan,
       another of our so-called   allies?

          10. Has anyone noticed that Afghanistan is rapidly sinking into total chaos, with
          bombings and assassinations becoming daily occurrences; and that according to a
          recent  UN report the al-Qaeda "is, by all accounts, alive and well and poised to strike
         again, how, when, and where it chooses"?

          11. Why are we taking precious military and intelligence resources away from tracking
          down those who did attack the United States- and who may again attack the United
          States- and using them to invade countries that have not attacked the United States?

       12. Would an attack on Iraq not just confirm the Arab world's
 worst suspicions about the US, and isn't this what bin Laden wanted?

          13. How can Hussein be compared to Hitler when he has no navy or air force, and
          now has an army 1/5 the size of twelve years ago, which even then proved totally
          inept at defending the country?
          14. Is it not true that the constitutional power to declare war is exclusively that of the
          Congress? Should presidents, contrary to the Constitution, allow Congress to concur
         only when pressured by public opinion? Are presidents permitted to rely on the UN for
         permission to go to war?         

 15. Are you aware of a Pentagon report studying
 charges that thousands of Kurds in one  village
were gassed by the Iraqis,which found no conclusive evidence that Iraq was responsible, that Iran occupied
the very city involved, and that evidence indicated
 the type of gas used was more likely controlled by
Iran not Iraq?

  We invent "this devil" so we can pretend "WE"
 are the "Avenging Angles" & that is not the
 1/2 of it . ED WHO  Killed Africa might be CIA?
Nazi Legacy?

          16. Is it not true that anywhere between 100,000
        and  300,000 US soldiers have suffered from
       Persian Gulf War syndrome from the first Gulf War,
        and that thousands may have died?
          17. Are we prepared for possibly thousands of American casualties in a war against a
          country that does not have the capacity to attack the United States?

          18. Are we willing to bear the economic burden of a 100 billion dollar war against Iraq,
          with oil prices expected to skyrocket and further rattle an already shaky American
          How about an estimated 30 years occupation of Iraq that some have deemed
           necessary to "build democracy" there?
          19. Iraq’s alleged violations of UN resolutions are given as reason to initiate an attack,
          yet is it not true that hundreds of UN Resolutions have been ignored by various countries
          without penalty?

          20. Did former President Bush not cite the UN Resolution of 1990 as the reason he
         could not march into Baghdad, while supporters of a new attack assert that it is the
         very reason we can march into Baghdad?

          21. Is it not true that, contrary to current claims, the no-fly zones were set up by Britain
          and the United States without specific approval from the United Nations?

          22. If we claim membership in the international community and conform to its rules only
          when it pleases us, does this not serve to undermine our position, directing animosity
          toward us by both friend and foe?

          23. How can our declared goal of bringing democracy to Iraq be believable when we
         prop up dictators throughout the Middle East and support military tyrants like Musharaf
      in Pakistan, who overthrew a democratically-elected president?

Are you familiar with the 1994 Senate Hearings that revealed the U.S. knowingly supplied chemical and biological materials
 to Iraq during the  Iran-Iraq war and as late as 1992- including after the alleged Iraqi
gas attack on a Kurdish village?
             Did we not assist Saddam Hussein’s rise
            to power by supporting and encouraging
           his invasion of Iran? Is it honest to criticize
           Saddam now for his invasion of Iran, which
           at  the time we actively supported?

          26. Is it not true that preventive war is synonymous with an act of
               aggression, and has never been considered a moral or legitimate
               US policy?
Who minces words on this point it is called blitzkrieg a Hitlerian
 method usually with massive air strikes from the Luftwaffa and
with lots of bombs on civilians. So now the USA, US, we are the
Nazi like totalitarian with the doublespeak, now we are using Nuke
 bullets while we call him Hitler like while it is the current  presidents
legacy from his Grandfather who was one of the biggest Hitler
supporter razing 50 million and Censured by Congress for trading
with the enemy... Adolph Flipping Hitler!!

B: And George HW Bushes senior's father who worked under
Hitler's top General directing policy's in the CIA.
C: As for Weapons of Mass Destruction what nations
 army doesn't have weapons of mass destruction Even
 tiny Israel has 15 or so nuclear bombs which if they ever
 used them the hole region would be totally unlivable for
as many thousand of years that they claim  the "holey
lands" have existed. R@wman

          27. Why do the oil company executives strongly support this war if oil is not the real
          reason we plan to take over Iraq?

        Why is it that those who never wore a
       uniform and are confident that they won't
        have to personally fight this war are more
        anxious for this war than our generals?

          29. What is the moral argument for attacking a nation that has not initiated aggression
          against us, and could not if it wanted?

          30. Where does the Constitution grant us permission to wage war for any reason other
          than self-defense?

          31. Is it not true that a war against Iraq rejects the sentiments of the time-honored
          Treaty of Westphalia, nearly 400 years ago, that countries should never go into another
           for the purpose of regime change?

          32. Is it not true that the more civilized a society is, the less likely disagreements will be
          settled by war?

          33. Is it not true that since World War II Congress has not declared war and- not
          coincidentally- we have not since then had a clear-cut victory?

Is it not true that Pakistan, especially
through its intelligence services, was
an active supporter and key organizer
 of the Taliban?

          35. Why don't those who want war bring a formal declaration of war resolution
                to the  floor of Congress?

          ------ End of Forwarded Message
--- John Somers      somersusa@earthlink.net

* They Live - dedicated to the film
Here are some cheerful little quotes from the movie ... still it is only a movie.... isn't it ?
 You see them on the street. You watch them on TV.You might even vote for one this fall.You think they're people just like you.You're wrong......Dead wrong.  "We are living in an artificially induced state of consciousness that resembles sleep The poor and the underclass are growing. Racial justice and human rights are nonexistent.They have created a repressive society and we are their unwitting accomplices ...their intention to rule rests with the annihilation of consciousness. We have been lulled into a trance.They have made us indifferent, to ourselves, to others, we are focused only on our own gain. They are safe as long as they are not discovered ...that is their primary method of survival. Keep us asleep, keep us selfish, keep us sedated...they are dismantling the sleeping middle class. More and more people are becoming poor.We are their cattle.We are being bred for slavery."  "They use their tongues to deceive, The venom of snakes is under their lips, Their mouths are full of bitterness and curses, And in their paths nothing but ruin and misery, The fear of God is not before their eyes, They have taken the hearts and minds of our leaders,
They have recruited the rich and the powerful, And they have blinded us to the truth,
Our human spirit is corrupted, Why do we worship greed?  Because, outside the limit of our sight,
feeding of us,  Perched on top us from birth to death, Are our owners, our owners, They have us,
They control us,  They are our masters, WAKE UP! They are all about you, all around you."

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There is so much time past that any lie can stick, " What they count on is the fact that you were borne yesterday".  ED.
a similar Swiftian STYLE allegory ED

     (Part 1 of 4)  11/22/88

                                            * CONFIDENTIAL *


                                           JANUARY 1988

                                            O.H. KRILL


                 Throughout  the forty year period when UFO have been actively observed
            in  our  civilization,  a  lot  of data has been gathered -- data which has
            often  pointed  to aspects of the phenomena that have been supressed.  As a
            result  of the suppression and compartmentalization of the information, our
            culture  has  been  fragmented  into several levels of "reality" which both
            co-exist  and  oppose each other.  Part of our culture does not or will not
            believe in the existence of other species; part of our culture acknowledges
            their  existence or the probability of their existence; part of our culture
            is  actually  interacting  with  the  other  species.   These  simultaneous
            realities contribute to the condition of extreme confusion in which we find

                 Research  into  UFO's follows a similar pattern.  Some view the matter
            in  a  completely  empirical  perspective;  others  search for patterns and
            functional  relationships  in events; still others go out and ask the right
            questions  at  the  right time and get answers.  Some of those answers that
            have appeared are, to some people, quite disturbing and fantastic.

                 All  in all, we are dealing with new concepts in physics, new concepts
            in psychology, and the gradually growing awareness that we are not only not
            alone here, but we have never been alone here.  As if that were not enough,
            it  turns  out that factions of our society have known this, and apparently
            have been interacting with some of these alien species for quite a while.

                 The  bottom line is that all along, humanity has been led down a false
            path,  a path that has been plagued by layer upon layer of conspiracies and
            disinformation.   Technological  knowledge and absolute power have been the
            motives on the human side.  Survival has been the motive on the alien side,
            or at least as far as the predominant alien visitors are concerned.

                 The  intent  of  this  paper is to bring much of the details regarding
            this into the open.  You are not being asked to believe it, but to consider
            it  in  the  light of what has happened, what is happening, and what may be
            developing right under our very noses.  If you find that you cannot stomach
            such thoughts, or that you cannot deal with it, read no further.

                 It  is  quite evident, or it should be, that the UFO situation is both
            complex  and  dangerous.   The  UFO  problem  is  a  multi- situational and
            multi-dimensional phenomena.  We have established the following as having a
            basis in fact:

                      o  Craft from other worlds have crashed on Earth.
                      o  Alien craft are from both ultra-dimensional sources
                         and sources within this dimension.
                      o  Early U.S. government efforts at acquiring alien
                         technology were successful.      
                      o  The U.S. government has had live alien hostages at
                         some point in time.
                      o  The government has conducted autopsies on alien
                      o  U.S. intelligence agencies, security agencies, and
                         public agencies are involved in the coverup of facts
                         pertaining to the situation.
                      o  People have been and are currently abducted,
                         mutilated, murdered and kidnapped as a result of the
                         UFO situation.
                      o  There is a current active alien presence on this
                         planet among us that controls difference elements of
                         our society.
                      o  Alien forces maintain bases on Earth and on the Moon.
                      o  The U.S. government has had a working relationship
                         with alien forces for some time, with the express
                         purpose of gaining technology in gravitational
                         propulsion, beam weaponry and mind control.
                      o  Millions of cattle have been killed in the process
                         of acquiring biological materials.
                      o  Both aliens and the U.S. government are responsible
                         for mutilations, but for different reasons.
                      o  We live in a multi-dimensional world that is
                         overlapped and visited by entities from other
                         dimensions. Many of these entities are hostile.
                         Many are not hostile.
                      o  The basis of our genetic development and religions
                         lies in intervention by non-terrestrial and
                         terrestrial forces.
                      o  Actual technology far exceeds that perceived by
                         the public.
                      o  The United States space program is a cover operation
                         that exists for public relations purposes.
                      o  People are being actively killed in order to suppress
                         the facts about the situation. The CIA and the NSA
                         are involved so deeply that exposure would cause
                         collapse of their overt structure.
                      o  Facts indicate alien overt presence within five to
                         ten years.
                      o  Our civilization is one of many that have existed in
                         the last billion years.
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 What a festering crock of crap!ED